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@thalassa_gray "he can have whatever opinions he wants. The issue is that he’s ... not thinking about his audience or his effect on people at all. Possibly, he’s just really bad at modeling other people’s responses" https://t.co/7wNGuUpkDs

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the way the top 4 players show up on the minimap is also inspired, encourages top players to fight amongst themseves rather than beginners, and capturing the "bounty" to win encourages more aggressive play versus turtling. The whole thing is genius.

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to be clear this is a Dark Souls joke

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@TheEvanCarroll I can't handle your next level performance art Evan

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@chriscoyier or interactively collaboratively edit it with two (or more) cursors..

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@stevesi @ryandetzel @benedictevans I looked at this extensively, because I didn't believe. And you know how obstinate I can be 🤡. The data is rather conclusive.

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@bxlewi1 all things are as they should be

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the #1 thing I would do differently if building Stack Overflow today is to predicate everything on live, runnable, interactive in-the-browser code. Granted that was almost impossible in 2008 (especially for "every language") but it is viable today.

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@sbscomp Canada's still a far better choice on healthcare alone, much less school shootings, etc. US should be near the bottom of anyone's list.

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@wilshipley @Carnage4Life everything old is new again!

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@wilshipley @Carnage4Life Facebook copies its competitors on the regular, as do all competent software companies. See "instagram stories". And browsers were always meant to be free. Hell, *ALL* SOFTWARE is meant to be free, so that's gonna bite MSFT in the ass soon enough.

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@wilshipley @Carnage4Life not that MSFT had nothing to improve! Clearly they did, mainly by jettisoning the "strategy tax" and "not invented here" parts of the culture

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@wilshipley @Carnage4Life yeah but that was always bogus. Oracle was SUPER UNAMBIGUOUSLY evil from day zero. Intel as well. Microsoft was never really evil or shitty in any meaningful sense, unless you're like.. an Apple fanboy from back in the day ;)

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@stevesi we should show some kindness and release him from this hardship!

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@CorstianBoerman you need to have the hooks for it in the first version at minimum

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@spacexonaut not exactly, it took a while for state level actors to understand the internet and get to a scale where it "mattered"

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@Carnage4Life same thing happening to the US under Trump. We had a new hire want to move to the US and I asked him "why? why would you move here?"

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@spacexonaut most people are, but the ones that aren't are like thousand year storms

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@Pv @stevesi @benedictevans rules might be different for toddlers. I thought.. rather obviously.. I was talking about adults and near adults.

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@stevesi @benedictevans safer and *more* cyclists.

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@stevesi @benedictevans this is the same reason lack of bike helmets actually results in safer bicyclists. It's *really* counter intuitive, but the data 100% supports it.

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@Pinboard eh, you're both painting with really broad brushes

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@notwaldorf they might just be outraged that they CANT HEAR OVER ALL THE TYPING

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@shanselman Your tune will change when you fold it around yourself like a warm blanket and get your cup of hot cocoa

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@spies_please @TheDreamGhoul A+++ would watch again

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corollary to this: if you want someone to like you, be nice to their children. It works.

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@Carnage4Life Fair, though I think way more women working (versus 1920, 1960, etc) is also a giant factor

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@Carnage4Life I don’t think kids are that much more expensive historically, it’s just more clear that you only need one kid to have the modern experience, not three, four, five..

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@Carnage4Life I don’t think that’s the entire root of declining birth rates though, I mean go back to 1920 and they were pumping out the kids to be farm labor, plus large families were a historical norm because women couldn’t work, etc. lots of factors

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@mcclure111 @sarahjeong It is actually OK to do this *provided you steal the most useful features and fold them into your product*. Facebook are masters at this (unfortunately). Twitter.. is not.

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@sarahjeong What’s especially annoying is that all these (useful!) settings would be VERY easy to implement. There is no legit “oh noes it will take years to engineer this” argument against this.

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@jongalloway GET SWOLE GALLOWAY

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@jzy and this is a new development because...?

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@mosheeshel @IcyTotem 20 years to get to the point where the computation could happen.

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Of course now we're on about Web 4.0 or 5.0 and everyone knows the sequels are never as good as the originals

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@Pinboard I dunno man this zero click remote malware install feature in WhatsApp sounds .. pretty bad

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@stevesi This resonates for me. The true challenge is not to be incredible at a few key junctures, but to be consistently great, every day, *for years*

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@leahculver I’m going for 24/7 rage and mostly succeeding

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@lifesavvy_site I did not say this, it is a quote from a movie.

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@tom_bigwood Well, kinda, except all the manipulation was NPR editing in this case. If you had access to the original media, as Lisa did, you might come to a very different conclusion...

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@ZachWeiner @m_clem WORTH IT

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@kevinmontrose people were the original mistake tho

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@patio11 to me this is so obviously true, the winners win so big that the losers are just statistical noise. Place as many bets as possible, because the bets are incredibly cheap. Really basic vetting (is this person coherent and a go-getter) gets you 90% of the way there.

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@Pinboard Still better than working for Facebook

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@JustinTPriest @MeganRisdal @KeirRice @juliasilge but from the outside it's all "rules suck, man!" so 🤷♂️
you know what REALLLLLLY sucks? no rules. Give that a whirl.
you know what REALLLLLLY sucks? no rules. Give that a whirl.

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@JustinTPriest @MeganRisdal @KeirRice @juliasilge hopefully that helps explain why this little bit of friction is intentional -- the idea is to guide people into actively providing new answers or actively improving existing answers rather than commentary.

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@JustinTPriest @MeganRisdal @KeirRice @juliasilge right, if it's an entirely different solution then it should be an answer, shouldn't it? If the programming can be improved, why not submit the change as a pull request, which is conceptually what an edit is for an anon or new user?

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If you're more into text, here's the transcript https://t.co/zgi7O2GdLA

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@textfiles what is best in life, Jason?

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@EzeeT make sure your TPS reports have a cover page

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@jongalloway this is funny because I know exactly what this is subtweeting and I had the same exact thought

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@prahladyeri this already exists tho

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@xchaotic that's also part of what we're testing

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@tobermatt @Supermathie never too young to teach your children that snitches get stitches! Prison rules for life!

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@MeganRisdal @JustinTPriest @KeirRice @juliasilge Justin, have you tried pressing the “improve this post” button on each and every question and answer? This doesn’t even require an account. Give it a shot.

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@lizardbill My favorite has always been @spolsky’s “we type words into boxes on the screen”

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@treasa also looks like the name changed to "software engineering", but some old history here https://t.co/bRiMsuV8A8

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@treasa that one is tough, the site has always existed on the knife's edge of "opinion questions" which are murky on the SE engine. An extreme example of this is what happened to Quora, where they set zero boundaries.

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@paulg it's completely consistent with people voting with their pocketbooks. This will become increasingly important if US representation fails to match the populace, e.g. https://t.co/1ix7222UNI

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and the community governance patterns we established continue to be inspiring 🙇♂️ https://t.co/dOMn9zBrRc

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This show's reach definitely exceeded its grasp but it was a fun existential ride! cc @drewtetz

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@OldDutchCap it's on etsy

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Also you gotta have a good place to store your dice https://t.co/qaswww5HBI

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@SuperDalgas @eviltrout check Etsy!

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@eviltrout not really, it's more of an experiment about randomness

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@Pinboard yeah but I hadn't seen it when I typed that, so it doesn't count

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@Pinboard Next you'll be telling us well, actually, that scream wasn't from some guy named Wilhelm

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@paulg well right but the main thing you did is enable a lot of others to achieve things, which is indeed 100% laudable but is also 0% programming

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I also love the clever cross-episode references. The airplane model in the mars episode, which has a mars mission ad in the background..

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@migueldeicaza Yeah dudes are AWESOME at social cues. Just amazing at it, really naturals ;)

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@hayeshaugen @migueldeicaza @paulg That's right. The computer in particular teaches some really negative, ultra-pedantic interactions. You become who you hang out with, and that can be either good... or bad.

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@paulg @migueldeicaza I do agree that success creates backlash though. "a computer in every pocket, always connected" kinda radically transformed the dynamics of computing.

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@paulg @migueldeicaza You said "Put a lot of ambitious people in one place and they all make one another more ambitious." Guess what happens when you put a lot of pedantic people in one place? Or when they work with a pedant, the computer, all day?

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@migueldeicaza @paulg Ask yourself why there is so much backlash against “tech bros” who seemingly lack empathy. It is a field with significant occupational hazard that will stunt you via “well, actually-izing” — you tend to become who you hang out with.

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@migueldeicaza @paulg Is it a tangent? I know exactly the median attitude of every hacker news poster, and they are insufferable pedants. Guess where they learned that from? Their daily co-worker, the computer. It’s a field with significant occupational hazard.

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@migueldeicaza @paulg Who did we learn “well, actually” from? Hint: it was not another human.

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@migueldeicaza @paulg Guess who we learned “well, actually” from — the computer, the ultimate well actually machine of all time.

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@migueldeicaza @paulg I disagree; a person who can write “I have a dream” has infinitely more agency than a person who can write a Python script. Routing your communication to the computer instead of other humans tends to stunt your growth in that area, as well.

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@paulg it is convenient for programmers to think that

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@paulg They're also super super nice people. That matters a lot.

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@paulg @theycallmemorty Code is only useful in expressing an intent. The intent is far more important than the code, and can be captured more succinctly and accurately *outside* of the constraints of code. It's "I have a dream" versus DONKEY.BAS and it's no contest

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@paulg I mean I guess in the most abstract sense that all knowledge is *somehow* useful, but my primary take on this is that everyone uses running water, but not everyone needs to know how to be a plumber. https://t.co/vcE7INlybI


