@susanthesquark I don’t think it is wrong to send the message in a variety of ways because every person responds differently. If the end result achieves the goal, then “diversity of messaging” might be the better approach

@susanthesquark My viewpoint on this may be unorthodox; I am a big fan of hiring from all over the world, remotely. I feel like many of the industry’s problems are US-centric (or worse, Ivy League / Silicon Valley centric)

@susanthesquark I dunno, the argument that you will make superior products with a diverse team is one of the most compelling for me personally.

@OdedCoster The people making this claim will never accept any criticism of anything they post. Anything other than unconditional acceptance is viewed as hostility. And they are right, for students at a certain skill level.

@Carnage4Life I cannot nope.gif that hard enough

@mortenmertner @lethargilistic if you believe in that system, go build it

@mortenmertner @lethargilistic Take it to Quora, and you will see what a mistake it actually is

@waxpancake @cabel This is sooo weird

also don't think I didn't notice that little Russia joke they slipped in there for all the kids out there

@Pinboard I think the main use is small amounts of text on signs, not Finnegan’s Wake translated to Yiddish

@siracusa @marcsiry @cottonbureau We have had very good experiences with @cottonbureau over the years

I would like to add that, based on my known relatives, I am 100% OK with this.

@nabeel it's definitely bad in hilly areas. uphill is bad on bicycle but brutal on scooter

@nabeel electric or non? I feel electric are gonna have too many reliability issues. The basic scooter is awesomely durable (and gives you run speeds for walk effort)

@tqbf are "C pointers bad" considered langsec? God knows how much security vulnerabilities around C pointers have cost the world in the long run!

@mortenmertner @lethargilistic opinions not based on data, facts, and science don't fit on the SE engine.. this is by design. If your "opinion" is backed by a code sample and benchmarks or memory usage data, it is plenty welcome ;)

@jessamyn I begin to see why smartphones (already?) rule the word.

@eviltrout @rafael_falco looks like it is now close to Skylake which I would say is "good enough" https://t.co/uz4eYQ1B3Q

@jongalloway pretty sure for Rob the highlight of his every day is telling someone to fuck off

@rajeshja @lethargilistic there is precedent in Stack Exchange already: English / English Learners, Math / Mathoverflow, and to some extent, Unix&Linux / Ubuntu

The odd thing is that the show is so much darker than the book. Probably because it fleshes out the details that the book only alludes to in passing.

@samsaffron @bendhalpern solution: a different place, with different rules: no downvotes, all questions accepted. active mentoring with a live human.

@aaronmallen @bendhalpern Some people see downvotes as inherent "disrespect". Some people see questioning the question, however civil, as "disrespect". Opinions vary, as it turns out.

@aaronmallen @bendhalpern google search result is the #1, primary, and dominant method by which people should use Stack Overflow

@aaronmallen @bendhalpern there are lots of schools, with very different standards and educational goals. That's how it should be -- choice.

@lethargilistic Some people don't like it, and downvotes are *definitely* not appropriate for absolute beginners. So if that's your intended audience..

@aaronmallen agree with all that!

@bendhalpern if anything what's wrong here is the idea that "one size fits all" even makes sense in the context of teaching every programmer ever born, or that ever will born

@bendhalpern I keep telling you, not all teaching approaches are correct for all students. And it's the truth!

@aaronmallen most people should get what they need by searching / reading the millions of Q&As already posted. To jump right to "I gotta ask a question" is already indicative that things are going awry

@jina @LeaVerou oh yes our lemon tree does this sometimes as well.. definitely disturbing

@Lady_Ada_King @LeaVerou 100% CORRECT

@lethargilistic right, nobody likes being downvoted, or told that their question doesn't meet the rules for the site. Hence, the need to create a parallel environment where downvotes are not possible, and all questions are allowed.

@lethargilistic is it? have you looked at the last, say, 100 incoming questions on Stack Overflow? I invite you to do that, as the actual data may inform your future opinions.

@lethargilistic @shog9 Technically they were told, but nobody reads the stuff that's put on the screen. Try signing up as a new user and starting to ask a new question if you don't believe me. As a new asker you MUST click "thanks, I will keep in mind" here https://t.co/XkmL6jLk6p

@lethargilistic 9 times out of 10 when I check and ask which URL they are referring to, it is a discussion / opinion question. A sizable contingent of people really, really want SO to be Quora.

@shog9 @lethargilistic I believe it is self-evident that most people who have a "bad experience" are new askers. Certainly passive readers are doing fine, and answerers.. well, tend to be experienced enough to answer something in the first place.

@shog9 @lethargilistic I like that. But I am not gonna lie, I am really quite pissed off that nothing significant has been done to the /ask page in the last 6 years. If I had been at SO, this would *not* have been the case.

@lethargilistic the feedback comes from people who are asking for a very different system. I think that system should exist. I believe in choices, not force-feeding everyone Facebook for eternity.

@_ArtOfCode @raymond_ros @crainorr that said, I have been "asking" for major /ask page improvements since 2012, so if that finally happens after .. geez .. 6 years .. then I'll definitely be pleased.

@_ArtOfCode @raymond_ros @crainorr I think there are other approaches that will work. I told SO that Documentation would not work, and it didn't. YMMV.

@_ArtOfCode @raymond_ros @crainorr I honestly don't believe it is possible. However, creating a *parallel* space with different rules is absolutely possible. Same reason we have different schools, yes?

@lethargilistic I'm saying some students need an environment where there are no wrong questions, no wrong answers, and no downvotes, and such a place should exist. I also find the view of "one system rules everyone" aka Facebook absolutely morally abhorrent

@lethargilistic I believe in many choices on the internet, and many systems.

@_ArtOfCode @raymond_ros @crainorr as I said, I don't think a system with downvoting and close as duplicate can achieve the required goals. I don't believe in "one system" any more than I believe that Facebook should rule the world.

@raymond_ros @crainorr That already happens, but a) very hard problem technically to "match" when no words match and b) people ignore it anyway, because sunk cost fallacy

Source article at https://t.co/NsgLgaDid1

@n_vanderhoeven I did say “most” but certainly not all

@heyitsamar I think product placement is more common there, is it not? And the Instagram stars can sell product placement without giving Facebook any cut at all..

@nickyknacks @wilshipley I think it's mostly a flag on dudes to be honest, e.g. https://t.co/08L3ofMWMG

@f_bartoloni yeah that's why it's sad this purchase wasn't blocked as antitrust at the time

@nickyknacks @wilshipley anime should be trigger warning flag number one

@Pinboard a journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step, my friend! and many many new unicode emoji!

@MaxRovensky Apple leading the way, as usual cc @Pinboard

@edimoldovan see next tweet please

@MattGertz @Pinboard and yet, the only way to fight money.. is with.. more money {unicode emoji shrug sequence}

@nso95 it's a cultural issue there. also their mod tooling is incredibad

@nso95 reddit isn't moderation in any meaningful sense of the word, except for super strict subreddits

@asmeurer see https://t.co/D1SVdgHzjU

I dunno why this is so funny to me now

@krmaher Except.. https://t.co/3ufpEQYLc5

@mathowie Isle of Cats, amirite

@tenderlove Yes, yes, I like where this is going

@caradoxical @DavidKPiano Well, actually, NaN coverage

@lizardbill https://t.co/jWwxLOGsdJ

@sgrif is it safe to eats a lady et?

@haywire_d I guess the RNG part is how many hops away you get from the middle

@joshelman @timoreilly Scooters probably easier to remove than homeless humans

@tobermatt @voretaq7 @Barnes_Law If the law is not square with higher moral law, bang on God

@Beschizza hold on let me look this up in Twitter Moments to understand

@ztbrown I have ways of ending my significance, it is a question of having the will to deploy them.

@aalear @anildash @Pekkanikolaus @mjaeckel @spolsky The best time to plant a tree is either 30 years ago, or today.

@ztbrown It is worth remembering that everyone makes mistakes, and everyone can be wrong from time to time as well.

@pyrolistical I have now entered a halting condition, because this logic is inescapable

@fabbrication @ARW_KW @reverentgeek VERY gentle dabbing (almost poking really) with the tip of a tissue also works to remove water drips!

@triketora men are verrrry poor at handling suffering (and I absolutely include myself in that sweeping generalization). to wit, the "man cold" https://t.co/msS2buLaon

@Beschizza humor is the best way to genuinely change minds, though. If it's even possible at all, which I sometimes doubt, that's one of the only ways. The court jester tells the truth about the king, though we all laugh.

@gknauss the fun thing about Sinistar is it would do that crap in attract mode too so it was like the most annoying machine to play anywhere near in the arcade, too

@gknauss buddy I got emulators for *days*

@aalear @anildash @Pekkanikolaus @mjaeckel @spolsky the most logical thing is an english/english learners and math/mathoverflow style split, based oin precedent. Alternately, buy another company like Glitch and let that be the other side of the campus? Just brainstorming

@tomstafford @jerseygryphon omg I need this in my life so bad right now

@jasonmalinowski upvote them! Be the change you wish to see in the world! Even better.. answer them!

@anildash @jenlooper @mjaeckel @Pekkanikolaus @spolsky for those of you at home doing the math that was 7 years ago.

@anildash @jenlooper @mjaeckel @Pekkanikolaus @spolsky in the meantime, don't take my word for it. use the wayback machine and compare 2011 era /ask page to today's /ask page. Virtually identical. And that's such a missed opportunity.

@anildash @jenlooper @mjaeckel @Pekkanikolaus @spolsky I would imagine there are probably quite a few people you could "ask" to find out the history, if you wanted to.

@Carnage4Life @anildash @Pekkanikolaus @mjaeckel @spolsky Sort of. I'm saying many different experiences are indeed valid, and require radically different designs to do right. And when there is only "one design" ala Facebook, then everyone suffers equally.

@SaraJChipps @anildash @mjaeckel @Pekkanikolaus @spolsky my product suggestion, which hopefully won't be ignored *cough*, is to provide special just-in-time guidance to answerers and commenters when they are the *first* interaction with a new user. Because you always remember that first interaction, right?

@jenlooper @mjaeckel @anildash @Pekkanikolaus @spolsky This is why SO's failure to improve the /ask page in any meaningful way since 2011 is so painful and disappointing to me. I've *begged* them to do this.

@anildash @Pekkanikolaus @mjaeckel @spolsky I am nothing else if not a very interesting collection of hills to die on

@mikeydoubled @anildash @mjaeckel @Pekkanikolaus @spolsky resolving duplicates is absolutely a super hard technical and social problem, without a doubt. That's why SO does so well on new tech (iOS circa 2009) and emerging frameworks / languages -- everything is suddenly fair game for a while

@anildash @Pekkanikolaus @mjaeckel @spolsky Let a million flowers bloom. There should be many places to go, with many different experiences. That's my view of the world, the internet, and Stack Overflow (plus Glitch!)

@anildash @Pekkanikolaus @mjaeckel @spolsky I never envisioned Stack Overflow as "the one place" where everyone must go. That's Facebook's vision but it was never mine; I find that morally abhorrent. I'd rather kill myself, literally, than see that come to pass.

@anildash @mjaeckel @Pekkanikolaus @spolsky As long as a good, clear, well researched question is asked -- and it's not a duplicate -- that's all that is required. To be fair the duplicate part gets *considerably* harder at 15 million questions than it was at 2 million. Answering is far easier.

@anildash @Pekkanikolaus @mjaeckel @spolsky in summary, {unicode shrug sequence}

@anildash @Pekkanikolaus @mjaeckel @spolsky also people don't like strict systems, but the computer itself is a strict system. To be fair, strict should *never ever EVER* mean cruel, and that *absolutely* should be enforced.. but learning to love strictness is fundamentally what programming is

@anildash @Pekkanikolaus @mjaeckel @spolsky There is, unfortunately, a lot of "this is how I imagine it happens" that goes on in the public discourse. Anchoring yourself in the data and real examples is always wise. One of the things I learned on meta.discourse in 2009: to understand problems, look at real examples

@anildash @Pekkanikolaus @mjaeckel @spolsky Not based on the many examples I've looked at. I encourage you to look at actual examples, too.

@anildash @Pekkanikolaus @mjaeckel @spolsky Has it? One might "ask" why the /ask page hasn't been meaningfully improved since 2011. I've been nagging people about that since 2012 to basically zero effect. Compare yourself with today vs. the wayback machine, if you don't believe me.

@anildash @Pekkanikolaus @mjaeckel @spolsky that said, "be nice" has been a rule forever.. I called it "mandatory civility" and we were very strict about it. If that's not being properly enforced, it should be. But "nobody can question what I typed into this box" is something else altogether.