@RichSeviora @PolloBrav0 @cullanbonilla @lmcdo_ @alilynnet @DominicCronin @cristynhoward @Bob_at_BH @aprilwensel @spolsky @StackOverflow 7% of people who _responded to the survey_, which is not the same thing. I dunno if you noticed, but dudes like to share their *cough* opinions

@lmcdo_ @RichSeviora In my experience, this tends to vary based on the perception of the viewer. That's why it takes multiple votes. Can you share URLs so we can have a look?

@lmcdo_ @RichSeviora also there should be some fear based on expectations and standards, don't you think? I remember jobs I had where I just stopped caring what I did when I did show up. I had no fear.

@lmcdo_ @RichSeviora perhaps this reflects your personal perspective? Eventually when there are 15+ million questions, many (excepting new languages, frameworks, etc) may be duplicates. What about when there are 150 million?

@janeylicious @aprilwensel @PolloBrav0 @cullanbonilla @lmcdo_ @alilynnet @DominicCronin @cristynhoward @Bob_at_BH @spolsky @StackOverflow experiment is live, will report back tomorrow with results, and you can judge.

@janeylicious @aprilwensel @PolloBrav0 @cullanbonilla @lmcdo_ @alilynnet @DominicCronin @cristynhoward @Bob_at_BH @spolsky @StackOverflow Gonna test it! BTW, not all my questions were well received either. People will disagree (and correctly, IMO) with the premise of your question: https://t.co/hxHJ3I3Nro

@wimbokkers So when you search for programming information on the internet, Stack Overflow is the *only* place you can find it? You realize that the creative commons license means you can view all SO data anywhere you like, on any website, right?

@wimbokkers Sorry, what is "the down voting requests"? Downvotes cost the caster 1 rep, and can't be cast until you have a certain level of rep to start with.

@lmcdo_ @StackOverflow Where do you see "RTFM" in that text? Before you accuse me of being rude or dismissive again... as before I'm really just asking, because I'm not seeing RTFM anywhere there? Or even the word "manual"?

@wimbokkers Except in this case, the purported "goal" actively works against why people go there -- "This place produces very high quality information because it's very strict in what it allows. Except can we .. stop being strict?"

@Pinboard yeah but how about Apple's sweet, sweet PAC policy? Eh? Eh?

@argumatronic @alexelcu @shajra this is what I liked about the paper: "to accept that whatever you might want the program to mean, the machine will blindly follow its meaningless rules and come to some meaningless conclusion". Basically computers are assholes. This is central to programming. Not even joking!

@noahsussman @katieirenec @aprilwensel It's been asked for a few times and I think it's a fair request so I just added it to the top of the post

@PolloBrav0 @cullanbonilla @lmcdo_ @alilynnet @DominicCronin @cristynhoward @Bob_at_BH @aprilwensel @spolsky @StackOverflow I tend to look at Google search gender breakdowns as far more definitive in terms of who is benefiting from the information there

@PolloBrav0 @cullanbonilla @lmcdo_ @alilynnet @DominicCronin @cristynhoward @Bob_at_BH @aprilwensel @spolsky @StackOverflow Here's a mail I received in 2010, reprinted with permission, that claims otherwise: https://t.co/INPBcDWcDs

@_iBahena @lmcdo_ @alilynnet @DominicCronin @cristynhoward @Bob_at_BH @aprilwensel @spolsky @StackOverflow https://t.co/H9PnjfK7pv "Stack Overflow is a question and answer site for professional and enthusiast programmers". Not sure when aspiring was added.

@wimbokkers @noahsussman @lmcdo_ @alilynnet @DominicCronin @cristynhoward @Bob_at_BH @aprilwensel @spolsky @StackOverflow I encourage you to take specific examples to https://t.co/MVKbgsCznt for followup + discussion; flag anything incivil (see https://t.co/p26Dm7BwWV) run for moderator election. Be the change you wish to see. I haven't worked at SO since Feb 2012.

@noahsussman @lmcdo_ @alilynnet @DominicCronin @cristynhoward @Bob_at_BH @aprilwensel @spolsky @StackOverflow Do you think all learners, of all ages and skills, are appropriate for every website? Why are there elementary, middle, and high schools before college?

@dfosco @lmcdo_ @alilynnet @DominicCronin @cristynhoward @Bob_at_BH @aprilwensel @spolsky @StackOverflow I'm not arguing; I'm asking for data and examples. For example, here's some data: https://t.co/s4d7UCGpMv

@dfosco @lmcdo_ @alilynnet @DominicCronin @cristynhoward @Bob_at_BH @aprilwensel @spolsky @StackOverflow good thing it's all freely distributable Creative Commons licensed, then ;)

@lmcdo_ @alilynnet @DominicCronin @cristynhoward @Bob_at_BH @aprilwensel @spolsky @StackOverflow Does Stack Overflow have a monopoly on programming information on the internet?

@lmcdo_ @alilynnet @DominicCronin @cristynhoward @Bob_at_BH @aprilwensel @spolsky @StackOverflow Do elementary school students also have the right to walk into high school and demand acceptance?

@EsaMakinen @aprilwensel @spolsky @StackOverflow Can you provide specific examples / urls?

@patio11 How will they learn without the beatings!

@cullanbonilla @lmcdo_ @alilynnet @DominicCronin @cristynhoward @Bob_at_BH @aprilwensel @spolsky @StackOverflow civility is enforced, and part of the guidelines: https://t.co/p26Dm7BwWV -- please flag anything that isn't civil

@lmcdo_ @alilynnet @DominicCronin @cristynhoward @Bob_at_BH @aprilwensel @spolsky @StackOverflow I just got this email 6 minutes ago as well, as a "new" user https://t.co/heZDtr1mfR

@noahsussman @katieirenec @aprilwensel What I said was, "Thanks for that, quoting the conclusion of that retraction:"

@lmcdo_ @alilynnet @DominicCronin @cristynhoward @Bob_at_BH @aprilwensel @spolsky @StackOverflow All that said, @JayHanlon will tell you I have nagged people at Stack for YEARS (literally, years) about improving the /ask page further. I have not worked there in any capacity whatsoever since Feb 2012 though.

@lmcdo_ @alilynnet @DominicCronin @cristynhoward @Bob_at_BH @aprilwensel @spolsky @StackOverflow also when asking that first question, you see this sidebar to the right of where you are typing https://t.co/S7ayuvm1Xh

@lmcdo_ @alilynnet @DominicCronin @cristynhoward @Bob_at_BH @aprilwensel @spolsky @StackOverflow I just signed up for a new account on Stack (this is required to ask questions, NOT required to answer them), and upon attempting to ask my first question, I am presented with "how to ask" -- I have to check "thanks, I will keep these tips in mind" before proceeding. https://t.co/0t7xrqWQU7

@zerowalnuts @lmcdo_ @alilynnet @DominicCronin @cristynhoward @Bob_at_BH @aprilwensel @spolsky @StackOverflow without data, URLs, and examples, it's unclear what needs to be done. Feel free to open a topic on https://t.co/MVKbgsCznt with specifics.

@lmcdo_ @alilynnet @DominicCronin @cristynhoward @Bob_at_BH @aprilwensel @spolsky @StackOverflow I just realized SO *used* to have a tutorial / tour as a banner on the homepage when browsing in incognito mode -- I believe that was added in early 2012 -- but no direct link to it today. It's still at https://t.co/H9PnjfK7pv

@lmcdo_ @alilynnet @DominicCronin @cristynhoward @Bob_at_BH @aprilwensel @spolsky @StackOverflow an interactive tutorial is a very interesting idea! but bear in mind, the intended audience for SO is not, and has never been, beginners or people just starting to learn to code. I'd recommend https://t.co/HqDaotg4TP, codecademy, khan academy, etc for those folks

@lmcdo_ @alilynnet @DominicCronin @cristynhoward @Bob_at_BH @aprilwensel @spolsky @StackOverflow Can you point to specific examples of this? I wasn't being condescending. In general the language is by far the most important tag, as long as you get that right you're good.

@lmcdo_ @alilynnet @DominicCronin @cristynhoward @Bob_at_BH @aprilwensel @spolsky @StackOverflow I feel the big disconnect is that some view Stack Overflow as place where complete beginners can learn to code from first principles. That's never been the intent or goal of Stack Overflow.

@lmcdo_ @alilynnet @DominicCronin @cristynhoward @Bob_at_BH @aprilwensel @spolsky @StackOverflow The mechanical turk data vetted here doesn't support these assertions https://t.co/s4d7UCGpMv

@lmcdo_ @alilynnet @DominicCronin @cristynhoward @Bob_at_BH @aprilwensel @spolsky @StackOverflow Java questions need to be tagged "Java". Users are expected to search first before asking, yes -- that's faster than asking a question.

@tqbf this is another reason why iOS > Android

@alilynnet @DominicCronin @cristynhoward @Bob_at_BH @aprilwensel @spolsky @StackOverflow can you open a topic on https://t.co/MVKbgsCznt with URLs and examples and specifics? We follow up on these things, for example https://t.co/uTfCaQWAh7

@jeremyBanks I pronounce it "ploos"

@vianasw You can’t do anything differently. Have a very advanced phone with great camera and video on you at all times!

@roundtrip @cshirky @slashdot I wouldn’t say it is good or particularly successful. It is kind of a platypus

@omershapira @cshirky You can also look at @discourse which embraces the opinion based stuff

@omershapira @cshirky Absolutely, all the Stack sites avoid opinion by design. Only subjects that are *mostly* facts, data, and science based are compatible.

@omershapira @cshirky https://t.co/zbDJpAVzJx holds regular community moderator elections and is the *only* site (of significant size, that I know of) on the web that does so.

@roundtrip @cshirky @slashdot It is the freakish Galapagos island evolutionary example

@cshirky Sort of. Chat systems give up all discipline at the outset; predictably, things go badly later.

Not to mention those damn atoms. Electrons > atoms https://t.co/MEh7Z6DgA4

@anildash https://t.co/aReheFeLqB

@deadprogrammer Full up baby! Deep rich veins of gummy bears, gummy worms, M&Ms and more inside!

@kevinmarks @xor @discourse Fair, what would be the correct term in this case? Archiving?

@voretaq7 @tobermatt @Supermathie and @tobermatt have both done this on @discourse regularly! Maybe *your* sysadmins are insufficiently awesome? Eh? Eh?

@lizardbill What is this from?

@xor @discourse One thing we don’t do but I would like to is tombstoning a forum as static HTML pages (no vulns)

@xor @discourse has had built in user export of data since 2014

@Pinboard This is why I really need to speak to your parents

@shog9 Lots of variables. There are some super cranky old people communities, either conceptually or literally. Also the opposite. There are also 5% of people who will be angry at everything all the time.

@shog9 This varies really widely by community in my experience. Gamers love change for example.

@IAmWinternet In your experience this setting is honored by Bing?

@IAmWinternet Which command?

@jhamby @usbsnowcrash @doubleyewdee NOPE cc @Carnage4Life

@doubleyewdee Right now, due to the excessive server load and minimal incoming traffic, we are default blacklisting Bing across all Discourse instances

@RichardHulse Pretty much adding insult to injury

@sh4na Hollywood CA near Chinese theater

@DocPop You should read throwers reddit more. I could have told you that.

@KimCrayton1 Seems permanent-ish! Even has a gift shop. I was impressed how thorough it was they even had a Juicero!

@Pinboard Never met a kid I did not like. Adults not so much!

@gamefromscratch Sort of, MS should have been working on Windows Phone about 3 years earlier

@ziegore86 It’s here! https://t.co/y8hTxVM7tH

I missed 6 more placards https://t.co/XdUPH4QwB9

So much fail here 🤣 https://t.co/WLW6yl2bMn

@ClayNichols @AmericanUltra This was very very bad

@scottwasson How many keyboards do you have now? New wing of your home?

@whitneyricketts @anildash @esesci @Pinboard @jhripley Just “users” afaik, looking at Wikipedia entries

@anildash @esesci @Pinboard @jhripley Looks like Feedly grew to ~11 million users after Reader was shut down?

@esesci @anildash @Pinboard @jhripley Was this really an “emerging” market? That in itself is wishful thinking

@anildash @Pinboard @jhripley FWIW I do not think google reader mattered. People artisanally curating their RSS feeds like they were plucking rare truffles from the Black Forest was never gonna scale

@Pinboard @anildash @jhripley Yes the transition from laptop to literally every human beings’ pocket on the planet was the real story here. We will be dealing with the fallout from that for a few more decades.

@tqbf I also made the best investment possible -- I invested in Maciej directly. Presumably details forthcoming at a later date? Anyway I expect a 1000x return, in clever jokes.

@tqbf I donate my thoughts and prayers

@Pinboard My anaconda don't want none, unless you got funds, son!

I'll see myself out.

@sgtholly to be fair there are a lot of badly written crawlers / bots out there.. but not so many of them belong to trillion dollar companies

@sgtholly regardless, the crawler is completely out of control and literally costing our customers money -- view the stats I posed. Wildly disproportionate.

@sgtholly TL;DR Bing sucks real bad, and has for a decade now

@sgtholly on top of that, they just *suck*.. at actual search results, see https://t.co/B8JRd3IF8E

@sgtholly Bing crawls us, and our customers, who *pay per server load*, brutally hard .. https://t.co/3iNxJas5zQ

@sgtholly https://t.co/GY19ibUQp1 <-- tiny, tiny amount of traffic from Bing, and yet..

@textfiles complaining WHILE offering a solution? Pretty sure that's illegal on the internet

@pmflanner look at your crawler stats, and where visits actually come from

@lizardbill Lucky numba slevin!

@joshmillard shadrach, rugelach, abednego

@mathowie https://t.co/kCRzYYtT0k

@textfiles zest for life is unbecoming of a man

@heavybit where's your sleeper? ;)

@textfiles @sparklebliss you should have blasted Def Leppard's "Pour Some Sugar On Me" in the intro https://t.co/b0xgDpADTE

@chucker it seems very unnecessary as a default-on shortcut

@chetfaliszek did you mean "globalists"

@davidamato fantastic!

@waxpancake The number of kids making and selling things on Roblox is *crazy*. I know because they set up Discourse instances and weird things happen.

@SparkyRobot @Norpchen insert wicker man gif here