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Jeff Atwood
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@r1cky yeah that MVC bug is brutal. "Hey, this caching thing? doesn't work."

Jeff Atwood
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@karlseguin because @outputcache works on user controls; the control grabs its data from the DB once, then regurgitates it for 30 seconds.

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@ladydemona it's "late"; haven't gone to bed yet. RB2 was delivered to some GameStop customers who preordered.

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@bmsullivan no. looking for ways to compose multiple "actions", cached DIFFERENTLY, into one output "action". Doesn't seem possible.

Jeff Atwood
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@subdigital don't see, not even a little, how Html.RenderPartial() is like SubControllers.. I do think SCs is what I'm looking for here

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@subdigital I think SubControllers is the concept I was looking for. Right now controller is too monolithic, doing all queries for 1 page

Jeff Atwood
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@patlaj see if you can repro that 500 error on login, I guess, otherwise you caught us in the middle of a ~5am PST deployment

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@simonw ok, I see -- we're not verifying emails or in fact doing anything at all with email

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@simonw "recover account" to what? not following. Do you have URL of example?

Jeff Atwood
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@LaTtEX we need to support multiple OpenID providers

Jeff Atwood
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@wilshipley you're just mad because Obama is an uppity muslim, and Palin totally turns you on with her sexy creationist librarian look

Jeff Atwood
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@wilshipley oh good, you're alive: can we expect another day of all-political tweets today? It's sooo rad! We <3 political rantage!

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@kevindente well, that was never really an active concern, now was it? :)

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@johndalton no doubt; the non-US releases of Rock Band are truly screwed up. In other news: BEING AMERICAN IS AWESOME! (pyrotechnics, music)

Jeff Atwood
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@kevindente YOU'RE NOT THE BOSS OF ME, MAN

Jeff Atwood
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@ojtibi you're thinking of Godgle

Jeff Atwood
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@omervk see the FAQ, but 5+ edits by the owner enter Community Wiki Mode -- personal vs. community ownership transition point

Jeff Atwood
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@rushiv unless you have a setp by step repro, it's not useful to use. We see all stack traces.

Jeff Atwood
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@wilshipley most canadians are better americans than americans

Jeff Atwood
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@henry_maddocks not to worry, I'll continue linking anti-me things here that you can read and enjoy at your leisure.

Jeff Atwood
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@keibro damn you, now I must listen / watch to Who's Johnny again.

Jeff Atwood
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@kevindente did your daughter just level up? will she reach her limit break? what are her DPS?

Jeff Atwood
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@spicysalsa you gotta pick the "right" provider. choice has its downsides, and that downside is that some big openid providers are.. crap.

Jeff Atwood
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@patlaj also, it's in the form of https://me.yahoo.com/username if you've truly "set it up". Otherwise, gibberish URL. Thanks yahoo! u rock!

Jeff Atwood
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@patlaj is your yahoo openid *enabled*? 99% of the time this is the problem. Yahoo's UI here .. suuuuuuuuuuuuuucks. Sucks. Really sucks.

Jeff Atwood
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@timoreilly your "best of" picks are swype and fitbit? my reaction after visiting both websites: "what the f**k?"

Jeff Atwood
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@aidan_walsh if you enter OpenID at any time during ask or answer, it's a one step process; you've overthinking it :)

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@codearachnid -- we are wikipedia + digg/reddit + forums + blogs. We synthesize aspects of all four elements.

Jeff Atwood
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@ibz uservoice is working fine for me. Just refreshed it 2 seconds ago.

Jeff Atwood
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@chris_mahan openid is great; it's the programmers that are the problem, as usual.

Jeff Atwood
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@rmccue "all the kids at school were wishin' they were me that night" http://tinyurl.com/2gjdb7

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@OmarShahine Media Center has been a rock for me over the last 3 years. Can count on one hand, literally, the times anything has gone wrong

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@jcsalterego most of the time when I use summize (sorry, search.twitter.com) I'm searching my own tweets .. and 50% of the time.. BOOM!

Jeff Atwood
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@betsyphd "In olden days women were officially pregnant at the moment of quickening. Now it's when your husband announces it on his blog."

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@bradwilson I love blowing things up, mostly, and I like breaking code too. http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000123.html

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@omervk lots of user education around OpenID. Yahoo's UI leaves a lot to be desired here. Have I mentioned how much I like myopenid.com??

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@omervk also, don't open a bug. not a bug. Yahoo sucks as an OpenID provider. This is not a bug, it is a "feature". :)

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@omervk pick your OpenID provider wisely. Yahoo, sadly, is not a good one. You have to "enable" OpenID through Yahoo to get Flickr to work.

Jeff Atwood
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@bradwilson check your users page under the Responses tab

Jeff Atwood
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@nathanbowers I know, right?

Jeff Atwood
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@wilshipley I'm sorry, was that last tweet that from "regular guy Wil" or "pimp luxury Wil"?

Jeff Atwood
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@NathanBowers I know, In and Out french fries are *such* a crushing disappointment. Love the burgers though. Mmm. Burgers.

Jeff Atwood
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@jongalloway lol "Speak for yourself. After seeing the ad I threw my Macbook Air in the trash and bought a Dell."

Jeff Atwood
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@adronbh I do file, export, CSV. Don't think it's unreasonable to expect Google Docs spreadsheet cells to remain where I left them.

Jeff Atwood
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@kevindente true, not giving people the *option* of upgrading to 64-bit when you upsell them to 4gb is totally uncool. Agree.

Jeff Atwood
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@wilshipley dunno if it's all clear cut as that. You can almost always use at least 3GB on x86, and 3GB is better than 2GB. Shrug.

Jeff Atwood
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@eschaton basically, vendors need to sell x64 OS with configs of 4GB+. Surprisingly, many of them are..

Jeff Atwood
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@wilshipley it's a National Enquirer article. Spin to make Apple look good (32-bit kernel = smart!), and Microsoft bad (no PAE supt = dumb!)

Jeff Atwood
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@wilshipley uhh.. fact: 32-bit software can't use 4gb effectively? fact: OS X is not natively 64-bit because the kernel is 32-bit?

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@nkohari I wholeheartedly and unashamedly support ass-enhancing purchases http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001146.html

Jeff Atwood
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@wilshipley strange, I think that article from "AppleInsider" has a bias, but I can't quite place where it's coming from.. let me think..

Jeff Atwood
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@Carnage4Life the funny thing about that Chrome article is that it will *totally* cannibalize Firefox wayyy before IE. Frenemies!

Jeff Atwood
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@kevindente adblock : Google :: piracy : Microsoft. So you propose there should be a "piracy" extension for Windows? I think there is one.

Jeff Atwood
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@kevindente yeah, but those can't be in for political reasons. Google = ad company. Not quite the same thing as the extension parade.

Jeff Atwood
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@kevindente the extension addicts are like the rabid Hillary Clinton, anti-Obama people. Incredibly vocal, but incredibly tiny minority.

Jeff Atwood
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@charasan I know -- that's the MSFT dilemma. Make too many changes and people complain, make too few changes and people complain. +antitrust

Jeff Atwood
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@parsifal there is bloat, but Office 2k7 is easily the best version of Office they've ever released. Totally upgradeworthy. Contrast: Vista.

Jeff Atwood
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@timbray jealousy doesn't become you. I hear your Mac can run these things we call "virtual machines".. :)

Jeff Atwood
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@jongalloway @kevindente the DBContext is inherited from the BaseController; it's not static

Jeff Atwood
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@mattgrommes not a fan of logging; think if it's worth logging, it's worth showing somewhere in the production system in a real way

Jeff Atwood
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@haacked I don't think so. ask Kevin Dente, he saw the dump analysis. @ryanbaldwin it was deadlocking on object locks, not db

Jeff Atwood
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@wilshipley talking politics: like juggling chainsaws, but with more blood and screaming. Good times.

Jeff Atwood
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@varveris thx for your assistance in parsing and double-checking our (crappy) analysis of the hang dump. You rock!

Jeff Atwood
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@jtdowney to be fair, it was also partially our problem. We were holding static references to log4net per class, which I never liked.

Jeff Atwood
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@haacked "very fast 32gb USB flash drive" see here http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001127.html

Jeff Atwood
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@wilshipley have you seen http://www.vpilf.com/ ?

Jeff Atwood
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@Carnage4Life so if you were wondering why I hate dependencies, there's your answer.

Jeff Atwood
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@chriscanal not a bug. feature. seriously. not kidding. Ask yourself this: how would one 'secure' wikipedia?

Jeff Atwood
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@odetocode try running debugdiag on an x64 box against iis7. g'wan, I double dast dog dares ya!

Jeff Atwood
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@kevindente and if our hangs are sporadic and difficult to repro..?

Jeff Atwood
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@kevindente also vehemently disgree that hangs are "not usually that hard" -- spent a week on one in 2005, look it up on my blog

Jeff Atwood
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@kevindente well, we're having no luck with the tools; logs show nothing

Jeff Atwood
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@jongalloway sanitizing isn't that hard. Figuring out why your webserver app pool is hanging for no reason, now *that* is hard.

Jeff Atwood
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@jongalloway you're right, coding is hard. Let's go shopping!

Jeff Atwood
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@jongalloway I'd rather make my own mistakes (for things I care about) than blindly inherit other people's mistakes. YMMV.

Jeff Atwood
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@jedatu associating a new OpenID provider (or having an alternate) is on our todo list for sure

Jeff Atwood
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@haacked use acronis to image the old drive to the new drive. Easy! Have I mentioned how much I love acronis true image? http://is.gd/21Fz

Jeff Atwood
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@jongalloway @kevindente Geoff and Jarrod have to take it from here: I'll fwd your suggestions

Jeff Atwood
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@duncansmart we have to net stop/start w3svc every hour or so -- that's why you see errors. It just hangs.

Jeff Atwood
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@duncansmart yep we have 3.5 SP1 on server

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@duncansmart darn. website still randomly hanging. Guess that "background" script in the cache wasn't the problem after all.

Jeff Atwood
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@duncansmart stupid THREAD POOL!

Jeff Atwood
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@IrvTheSwirv no, the "website randomly hangs" problem is new, unfortunately. And it's a bitch to diagnose. Nothing obvious..

Jeff Atwood
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@darkbulb also I don't make knives or tools, though I wish I did. These things are cool. http://www.atwoodknives.com/

Jeff Atwood
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@darkbulb no relation http://is.gd/1Ziw and neither is Margaret Atwood (famous author), or Colleen Atwood (famous costume designer)

Jeff Atwood
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@wilshipley Exactly. People don't read the damn rules. In fact they don't read anything. Never did, never will.

Jeff Atwood
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@wilshipley there's a bug in your bug definition. $100 please.

Jeff Atwood
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@wilshipley ooh, paying $100 for bugs. Get ready to spend all day examining the *precise* definition of the word "bug". Enjoy!

Jeff Atwood
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@kevindente the sad thing is that tabs vs spaces would get lots of votes. BAD USERS! BAD! NO! /slap /slap

Jeff Atwood
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@diathesis yep, deploy SO nightly changes, write podcast notes, then blog entry. This whole thing is kind of a bummer if you're lazy like me

Jeff Atwood
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@nathanbowers I still haven't quite forgiven you for dissing The Cars selections in Rock Band. http://is.gd/1Xim

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@derek I had forgotten how borderline softcore porn Flashdance really was. How about this? http://tinyurl.com/6z9dkc

Jeff Atwood
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@ShawnWildermuth it's best to nod along with @jongalloway when he goes on these benders. Yes, Jon, we understand that SVG is *important*!1!

Jeff Atwood
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@darrenkopp visited links are now a different color -- this was not discoverable?

Jeff Atwood
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@chris_mahan I was building a new index on beta ; that wasn't the deadlock you're thinking of

Jeff Atwood
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@wilshipley automated cat feeders, man. They RULE. http://tinyurl.com/23eqzw

Jeff Atwood
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@jongalloway wtf with this "move player" thing?

Jeff Atwood
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@zbowling do not listen to the blasphemy of Patton Oswalt. http://tinyurl.com/22ej89 Eat More Famous Bowl.