@aimee_maree is it a 'bullshit' statistic to note that 90% of murders in the USA are committed by men? http://t.co/2529CtF992

@Spacekatgal the related @discourse discussion is here: http://t.co/RcwNYyOOoo

@sh4na I will shoot some dudes in the face on your behalf then ;)

@pilky of course, nobody is saying otherwise, but it's a question of marketing budgets and statistics. (e.g. "who is this for?")

@pilky then it's a game of statistics. Not just popular but WILDLY more so. In related news: 90% of the murders in the US are by men. Stats.

@sh4na OK, if you want to play Battlefield 4 with me, my username is "codinghorror".

@sh4na but as brought up earlier, a group of male programmers charged with creating a game for girls is kind of nuts, and typical.

@sh4na 2: creation and consumption. For consumption, a mixture of gender targetted stuff + overlaps seems right. For creation, +diversity.

@sh4na gender has a profound impact on our interests, statistically: http://t.co/x7Wc2X7FBG

@waxpancake @ironicsans I stopped using RSS years ago, way before Google Reader shut down. Social media did crowdsourced RSS for me, mostly.

@pilky @AmyStephen and yet.. http://t.co/x7Wc2X7FBG "hormonal manipulation can reverse sex-typed behavior"

@lloeki dunno, busy killing

@sh4na why is it insulting? I don't feel insulted that romance novels aren't marketing towards men. Depends on the book/game, no?

@keithjgrant not true to my knowledge. You have to use transparent (LED backlit) keycaps, is all

@samthebrand I already tried to fix that one. Something about Ghost's parser is forcing that with <pre> inside <table>. Unfixable on my end

@waxpancake @ironicsans this seems like an awfully broad interpretation

@pilky not sure I see the distinction w/r/t romance novels and Dora. Neither is "for people like me" and I am OK with that.

@lloeki "Men commit close to 90 percent of the murders in the U.S." that's quite a 'variability' you've got going there sir

@lloeki well, look at the science here. http://t.co/2529CtF992 -- so who will be into violent games, exactly?

@lloeki my original point, though, was that dudes don't generally wear skirts or dresses.. or camisoles.. or bras..

@Spacekatgal let me know if I can help, if you need a @discourse instance for anything.

@lloeki may I please bring up shoes

@sh4na not saying "none" is the right answer.. just.. business, etc.

@sh4na sure, I think the argument is, if you know it'll only be 5% of the market (if that), how much focus should it have?

@sh4na but when you shoot someone in the face, will it be peer pressure, or with extreme prejudice? Be honest! ;)

@sh4na because science says women are far less violent than men, thus I assume far less interested in violent games http://t.co/2529CtF992

@Spacekatgal A discussion about a complex, thorny issue where two people don't end up hating each other! yay! WE DEFEATED THE INTERNET

@Spacekatgal and thanks for your patience with me in this discussion. I will think of you as Vasquez in Aliens.

@Spacekatgal well it can't hurt, you're right. Are there any actual stats on this? E.g. "once we included a female player model.."

@Spacekatgal I would argue that for BF4, women are in combat now, so there should be female player models too. Right thing to do.

@Spacekatgal I am not arguing against B at all, I'm just saying it won't move the needle on changing the playerbase vs. violent gameplay.

@Spacekatgal you are absolutely right about lack of diversity hurting, and being the root of pretty much everything else. 100% correct.

@clemensv @Spacekatgal is it? I don't get upset when a Dora the Explorer video "isn't for me". I don't begrudge anyone romance novels.

@Spacekatgal but you're right -- if there are zero games "designed for women" then there's no real choice. And that starts at the top.

@Spacekatgal and I don't mean it like "if you're not the right gender you can't play", I mean "it's designed for men/women"

@Spacekatgal I am a huge fan of diversity, but I also think it's OK to say "this game is for women, not for you" or "this game is for men"

@kunikos @Spacekatgal you should really read it, the article covers data from 10 different countries. Same results.

@kunikos it would be very cool if League of Legends had a solid female player base, but I don't know the stats.

@kunikos @Spacekatgal well, science disagrees with you: https://t.co/mGby18j8m4

@kunikos what's the source of this stat, I am curious?

@kunikos @Spacekatgal gender behavior patterns run *very* deep. And dudes in big groups amps up the bad, is a huge argument +diversity.

@kunikos @Spacekatgal come to daycare and see 5y old dudes in groups. The crazy starts early, does not improve (or sadly, change) with age.

@Spacekatgal I doubt existing console industry will change, but mobile games getting more sophisticated, diverse seems .. likelier.

@Spacekatgal I've grown to really dislike traditional "gamer" culture, as represented by the existing console models. Glad mobile will kill.

@Spacekatgal isn't this a good thing though? I get your point about developer diversity, and the absurdity of men creating girls' games.

@Spacekatgal if we look at the iOS app store as "the future" (and it is, sorry Nintendo), are almost all games there targeted at men?

@Spacekatgal ok, fair point -- that games haven't reached even the lame parity that movies or books have. Across the iOS app store though?

@Spacekatgal that's the only point I was making. There's Fried Green Tomatoes, there's Batman Begins, and there's Jerry Maguire.

@Spacekatgal agree -- but I think gender-targeted videogames, movies, books, etc aren't a bad thing, provided everyone has choices.

@Spacekatgal but I may very well be wrong, completely acknowledge that.

@Spacekatgal to be honest, I *really* enjoy killing other humans in video games, and I have a hard time imagining women being into that.

@kunikos @Spacekatgal and to be clear I am totally fine with female soldier models for the 5% that do play. That is the right thing to do.

@kunikos @Spacekatgal they do -- but if the gameplay stats say only 5% of the playerbase will be female, should it be a big marketing push?

@spongefile @CaitieM20 @Spacekatgal Is anyone really wanting for options at the moment? So many choices in gaming..

@Spacekatgal @kunikos versus "I can pick a female solider", which I am in no way opposed to. But would it move the needle vs. *gameplay*?

@Spacekatgal @kunikos I think diversity is good, but isn't the underlying killing, violence, guns gameplay element the thing that drives?

@Spacekatgal @kunikos Battlefield 4 had female commander and female teammate in SP. Do you feel this really moved the needle on playerbase?

@CaitieM20 @kunikos @Spacekatgal agreed new TR was excellent on all counts. But Lara! :)

@CaitieM20 @Spacekatgal I like a lot of violence and explosions in my entertainment. Don't want to impose my choices on others, so: duality.

@Spacekatgal that said, both genders should hopefully find a good amount of content and crossovers (the Silver Linings Playbooks).

@Spacekatgal I think when it comes to entertainment, selling (pandering?) to specific genders is de rigeur. Books, movies, games..

@jeffinitelyjeff @Spacekatgal essentially, the movies. Big budget features. How many split 50/50 on gender vs. ticket sales, and why?

@Spacekatgal @siracusa I dunno, for every Jerry Maguire or Silver Linings Playbk there are dozens of Fried Green Tomatoes and Batman Begins

@chucker @Spacekatgal eh, it's fashion. "chick flicks don't count" or the mythical Jerry Maguire with amalgam of stuff liked by both sexes

@siracusa @Spacekatgal shrug. I enjoy violent games with death and explosions and guns, the more the better. Many dudes do.

@Spacekatgal games are fashion to me, lots of analogs. Short lifespan, trends, etc.

@Spacekatgal only in the sense that a skirt has an implicit "not welcome" sign for dudes. Granted there is SkirtMan, utili-kilt, etc.

@dmur @Spacekatgal someone was just remarking the whole outside of E3 right now is ads with giant angry white dudes. Guns n' violence!

@Spacekatgal vast, enormous, well understood differences in preferences by sex. Just like clothing, and gaming.

@Spacekatgal @siracusa Women are half the clothing market too. Are these the same markets?

@losnggeneration @petesh even 50 chars is redonkulously short for an email. 80 or 100? I could work with that.

@SaraJChipps only legal in 5 states

@lazypower @digitalocean this is WITH mandrill, even secure SMTP is blocked.

@jzy I love them $15k/year each, that should suffice

@kevinmontrose hopefully you needed less supervision than a set of two year old girls

@photomatt the tear is a nice touch

@cdixon we are betting on this heavily with @discourse

@KristyT forgetting is a feature, people who never forget anything, that's insanity

@tj_crandall right, but we get 2-3 reports of this a week from people installing @discourse on DO and we get blamed for no SMTP

@digitalocean well, that's the thing, it's not my instances.. it's instances of people installing @discourse. Lots of default email blocking

@KristyT a friend described losing a child as "literally the worst thing I can think of" and he's right. Hard to even hear about third-hand

@KristyT if your kids don't animate you, it's just a matter of time. Losing an only child would be true darkness though.

@KristyT if you have other children, you don't get that choice.

@KristyT what's the alternative? Give up? To keep going is the only choice we have. (Outside of really dark stuff.)

@textfiles you have not been before? Oh you are in for a treat!

@ltw_ @martinisoft for reference: http://t.co/C4dkeB104o

@jongalloway so you are ambivalent

@mat sure just email me any time, jatwood@codinghorror.com

@mat happy to discuss the thinking here with @discourse and as related to my previous project, Stack Overflow. Both community governed

@IEthics @mat but, Kinja is an in-house platform, the publisher is very much in favor of comments and it's his pet system

@IEthics @mat branch basically dead, acquihire by Facebook. I do think Kinja has gotten a lot better, it was very very bad at launch

@amyhoy @patio11 TELL US ABOUT OPTIMIZING THE FUNNEL

@jongalloway This playful repartee is now concluded. Thank you for your cooperation, citizen.

@SaraJChipps man your PRs just keep getting better and better. Straight shooter with upper management written all over her.

@jongalloway Your question was closed as "Jon Galloway TOTALLY SUXXORS" 2h codinghorror <diamond>

@jongalloway I will probably close it just because I don't like you!

@jrguay @robconery highly unlikely to be gone.. Email team@stackoverflow.com

@gatesvp @jessamyn ok got it how many replies do we need for this? 12? 50? 100?

@kevinmontrose I love the Surface 2 Pro and they hit the right notes with 3 -- 4:3 vs 16:9, lighter, 12", near-infinite kickstand.

@nitashatiku tweetstorms are a cancer