@MehrdadA I love all my servers equally!

@segebee it works for me!!

@_crispinb try some data, looks like about 2x slower https://t.co/Qq0AliCZwj

@KristyT https://t.co/Hbr2PSYmWA

@etbe @voltagex read the topic in some detail. It is indeed a platform issue.

@breki74 @mattcutts I think that is mostly outside the Nexus ecosystem, though, Nexus devices get updated fast. Everything else.. ehhh

@nirinchev @_crispinb N7 was OK in 2013, about baseline acceptable perf then. It's quite marginal today.

@voltagex We're looking at a 10 (now 7) year window. I'm pretty sure in 7 years it will be solved. I am worried about trendlines

@voltagex they do, thus the reality: https://t.co/pHLZQfkI1T

@voltagex @etbe details at https://t.co/ZWZdqlTqXY -- the respective parties are working on it

@mattcutts I would be reasonably happy too if not for the Chrome/Android JS perf issues. Those happen to affect us disproportionately.

@textfiles heyyyy snazzy new avatar

@ultimape @neo_mage chrome has supported asm.js for a while https://t.co/9Nliw9ClxE

@ejpbruel lameeeee

@cwodtke it would be wrong NOT to

@jarrod_dixon MA JERBS

@frandallfarmer I would not include them if I did that over. Too much hassle, distraction. Not worth it.

@debay hmm yeah that too

@john_lam I'm sorry you have weak old man hands. I type with the explosive force of a hurricane.

@john_lam white is much stiffer, buckling springs stiffer still

@john_lam what switch color

@shog9 are you sure?

@jef_poskanzer @textfiles sheeeeit 3.5" is way too modern for Jason

@BenedictEvans we forget how amazing the mouse was. I remember demo-ing it on my Apple II to people and blowing their minds

@Gryzor allow yourself to introduce ... yourself

@textfiles time to get some febreze all up in there

@johnolilly good point! Stylus is so, so niche though. It's like Bill Gates could not let Pen Computing go. https://t.co/Dl2uazOcHz

@johnolilly oh, you think there is a technical conflict. Not sure, but.. I doubt it?

@johnolilly stylus is so specialized I am not sure it matters. Force Touch I would expect to see everywhere in time

@arunshroff @patrickc @paulg yep that was a great post. Seed explosion (tons of incubators) is the only logical outcome. YC predicted future

@macfixer watch yourself there buddy, no slip ups like that in the future

@MehrdadA clearly the market is agreeing based on observed real world prices

@philip_schwarz @sarahmei @keithb_b @KentBeck I prefer weak opinions strongly held these days

@ftrain will you be using words

@sebfung there is no dual, there is only triple

@patrickc I guess what I am saying is that YC indeed predicted the future.

@patrickc given the amounts of money at play, and the "blockbuster" effect, isn't the only sane strategy, seed fund everything remotely sane

@patrickc @baconmeteor @paulg I would argue that smart VCs now realize they have no idea what will "work", and the best strategy is seed++

@paulg @baconmeteor @jake_gold @mathowie not sure others see it that way. There has been a seed explosion, and that's a good thing, but...

@paulg @baconmeteor @jake_gold @mathowie ycombinator seed isn't VC? https://t.co/5j1qkOoxlu

@baconmeteor is that @paulg's job? I guess it says "programmer, venture capitalist, and essayist" https://t.co/Ko2KBfQBQu

@baconmeteor @jake_gold @mathowie @paulg let me tell you about the last time I tried to have a gender-in-tech discussion on Twitter. 💥

@baconmeteor @paulg @mathowie any interpretation of a complex topic on Twitter is doomed to fail. Nature of the platform. Sometimes more wor

@paulg @mathowie @baconmeteor you've said it before about HN replies, and it's true: shorter is rarely better https://t.co/q82HGjf2g7

@paulg @mathowie @baconmeteor linking to blog post with a deeper explanation would work well. Twitter is awful for nuance, just terrible.

@paulg @mathowie you know @baconmeteor has a point, why even bring up such a nuanced, complex, contentious opinion at all on Twitter? Why?

@pawelmaczewski wait.. you mean "adult" stuff or adult stuff?

@kustodian oddly enough, geekbench says Nexus 6p and Galaxy 6 have nearly identical single core speeds

@Gryzor you will always be an employee of my 💖

@Nick_Craver not really. There is no magic bullet on smartphones that makes multi threaded performance better than desktop

@Nick_Craver it is an extremely accurate measure of Discourse performance

@Joel_Anderson angular has the exact same performance problems on Android. Any complex JS framework does.

@Nick_Craver @Supermathie ok so I can downgrade your desktop to a Pentium III with 24 awesome cores? It'll be fast, right? ;)

@Nick_Craver android is in a very very bad place right now in single core perf. Spanktown.

@Nick_Craver bear in mind the iPhone scores for that: 60ms (6s) 120ms (6) 180ms (5s)

@Nick_Craver go ahead and run some https://t.co/t6RwL8JEE8 and knock yourself out. "render complex list" is the main, big test there

@Nick_Craver not to mention if you have 8 slow cores you are still gonna have a much worse experience vs. 2 fast cores

@Nick_Craver nah, JS is single threaded. There's a limited amount the browser can do cross-thread, beyond 2 cores = wankery

@nanoSpawn it's roughly the same speed as the Galaxy S6 this year, which is quite good.

@DrPizza Edge is shockingly bad in Ember. Literally zero perf improvement over IE11. Literally. On desktop everyone is fast though.

@DrPizza oh it's very noticeable in the browser.. run the benchmarks yourself -- https://t.co/t6RwL8JEE8 -- just "render complex list"

@DrPizza looks pretty damn slow to me. Spank-tastic actually. https://t.co/QwgWtr4GZ4

@kevindente well, actually, the 6p got great reviews. https://t.co/8HWnBjG8ug shame about the JS perf though

@Nick_Craver we're looking 5-10 years out. Not too worried about today, but JS perf trend line is super bad on Android. iOS stellar.

@SuperDalgas no xbox one with Kinect? Amateur

@sampullara @dshaw nah we used joins at Stack Overflow, so many variables, simplistic statements like this are inadvisable

@deadprogrammer these are cool, what is the source?

@davidlee stay woke

@krmaher :( https://t.co/xtRYvz7geU

@sudhakr username, I said

@samsaffron @headius you can install Discourse yourself on Digital Ocean preconfigured. You would need a large db though

@johnolilly ice cold

@zimbatsu yep has been fine! I need to install my 950 Pro pciex though..

@tedneward @sampullara @headius sure I know @samsaffron has been interested in helping if we can get Discourse up on it

@sampullara I don't doubt it; our problem is the pesky C++ gems we rely on throughout. Those don't run on the JVM ;)

@sampullara @dshaw again, open source -- our "sales and marketing" is the product itself, really. What we *sell* is hosting, and fast kind!

@mattocko hurricane electric! https://t.co/6GbxGgfAMM

@sampullara @dshaw we're open source -- the growth doesn't have to come from our servers to matter. How much of the web does WordPress host?

@sampullara @dshaw on top of that I cannot emphasize enough how SLOW these cloud providers are. It's brutal. 2x perf cost minimum.

@sampullara @dshaw yeah, I know the local 7-11 is a convenient place to buy Hershey bars, and all, but financially.. not sensible.

@sampullara @dshaw it's like you're telling me to buy Hershey bars from the local 7-11 to resell them, and I'm saying, buy from distributors

@sampullara @dshaw I think of it in terms of "fraction of total monthly income" and that'd be .. too high at the moment. Far too high.

@JYOuyang yes! I will be heading out Monday to put the first stuff in there :)

@sampullara @dshaw we estimate it would cost about $10k/month to run everything we have on AWS (and growing). Too expensive. (+slow)

@sampullara @dshaw shrug. I'd do it for fun in my free time regardless. We're a hosting company, that is our core business. Period.

@sampullara @dshaw and Digital Ocean is generally faster than AWS, as well. Speed is not their jam. Hybrid cloud is nice though!

@sampullara @dshaw we typically see more than 2x (!) real world perf improvement when moving sites from Digital Ocean to local, for example.

@sampullara @dshaw I don't think you guys understand just how slow AWS is for what you pay. Blog entry: https://t.co/p5s7vR8SYe

@sampullara @dshaw we do -- that's hosting

@troldann even ye olde bad pentium 4 didn't burn 200w for typical desktop stuff ;)

@sampullara @dshaw we're a hosting company. That IS our actual problem ;)

@sampullara @dshaw colo costs are insanely low. We get two 42u, 15amps each, for $1k/month. That includes dual gigabit "unlimited" internet

@dshaw it does if you want super fast for very low monthly cost! see https://t.co/p5s7vR8SYe

@johnolilly @semil I dunno, do the texting-all-the-time kids prefer a texting UI? Are the stats there? I have no idea!

@Gryzor died decades ago!

@TwigCaseCo I don't see a https://t.co/ZvIqSgVq56 running @discourse ... YET

@SuperDalgas nice!! what is that from?

@JasonPunyon in its defense, it probably looked at your face and decided to hell with all this

@ftrain @waxpancake @textfiles even Andy Kaufman couldn't really pull off Andy Kaufman, in the end

@ftrain @waxpancake @textfiles when performance art backfires. Not everyone can pull off Andy Kaufman